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OK, OK, it's archived, lol. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 19:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ratings
I don't like ratings because, first, they're a bit unfair. You may find this false (because the admins are the people I'm targeting here), but it seems that the admins increase in point value much faster than normal editors. However, this is probably because you have an obligation to edit, unlike others, who can come and go and choose not to edit if they wish. Second, it is very hard to increase a person's rating. An excellent user still might have a rating of 0 when they should have a rating of about 12. Third, 20 is too high for the speed at which ratings increase. 10 is a more reasonable number. Four, a new registered user should immediately be bumped up to 1, just for logging in. A rating of 0, believe it or not, might repel some people.

Though my vote is still to get rid of the Point System, with revision it could be kept. Boss Giovanni 22:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * HOOOOLLLLDDD on! You're saying you made your own rankings from 0 to 15 just because the guy in charge wasn't keeping up? What you should've done (this is more even for non-admins) is appointed a more efficient guy to up the ratings and then continued to edit just as well as before. Hard work pays off! (my vote remains on no) Boss Giovanni 23:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not calling you a bad admin or anything, so don't worry about it being your idea or not. (My vote is still NO :) Boss Giovanni 01:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's no fun if we can't tease. Joking By The way. Captain Kazi ----- Talk 9 July 2008
 * Hm.....I like that title....TM.... TM is what they now call me!  Dare to interrupt I, the Bohrok king   Why am I in trouble this time?

Can I please?
Can I make a separate page for my signature archives, TA? (if you're wondering why this message is so grammatical, I'm using Safari, which has a spell check) TM is what they now call me!   Dare to interrupt I, the Bohrok king   Look, I've done nothing wrong, this article proves it
 * You can make a subpage of your userpage for it, but not in the main namespace. The way you would do that would be to create a page titled something to the effect of User:Toa Makao/Signature Archive. In fact, if you wanted, you could click that redlink and use that as your signature archive. And then you can link to it on your userpage so you don't lose it. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 00:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I used User:Toa Makao/Signature Archives instead, and thanks the permission TM is what they now call me!   Dare to interrupt I, the Bohrok king   Look, I've done nothing wrong, this article proves it

OK I'm sorry about what I said on PF24's talk page, I just overreacted a bit when I felt a bit attacked by his insults. TM is what they now call me!  Dare to interrupt I, the Bohrok king   Look, I've done nothing wrong, this article proves it
 * I don't blame you for it; PL is a little mad about it, though. He says he's going to give you a rating reduction, but given that you apologized, I think he won't do it. (After all, when Exo Malakai and TNU created those VandalBots, they didn't get into any trouble at all because they apologized, as much as I disagreed with that... >_<) ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 20:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know. TM is what they now call me!  Dare to interrupt I, the Bohrok king   Look, I've done nothing wrong, this article proves it
 * I'm sorry, I am upset about it, but everybody should've known better then to do the stuff they did, but it was Cow Appreciation Day at Chick-fil-A, so I'm just tired. Anyway, are you going to make a blog, Auserv? -- Panaka lego  21:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cow Appreciation Day? In that case, I don't blame you. XD I don't think I will, I have my BZP blog, and I could always just link to it on my userpage. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 22:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, come dressed like a cow, get a free meal. It was the busiest day of my life! I'm leaving early tomorrow, so TTYL and all that junk. =P -- Panaka lego  03:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, bye PL. =) Have a great trip and all that good stuff. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 03:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Bzp.
Hey auserv, have you had trouble going to bzp? Because everytime im in google, and type bzp then click to lead me there, it doesn't let me there. Toa Xairos 17:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * BZP is down, no one knows why, but it's been this way for days. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 18:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'll try and pull my wieght around here. I'll try to get some edits today. It's just there wasn't any new stuff for a while, and now there is, so I'll try. Spade User talk:Darth Nilus 18:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No rush, it's just that until you start editing, your rating won't increase. =) ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 18:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm back
I have been back for three days. MarioGalaxy2433g5 10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 00:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome home! =D Sorry I've been sorta inactive lately, been pretty busy. I have weeks of quality edit sifting to catch up on. DX ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Concern
I have noticed these past few months that the wiki is slowly moving up. Very slowly. Images that need to be deleted are not deleted. These include personal images and fanmade images. I have also noticed that new members are not really welcomed, or what I really mean is that the welcome templates are not added to their talkpages. I have also noticed that the Request for Rollback/Sysop/Bureaucrat has not been dealt with yet. Do the Administrators need help running the site? I feel like something is wrong here and I would like to offer my assistance, but I cannot do anything since my concerns cannot be dealt with by a normal member. Racht 21:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We're very short-handed at the moment, only two or three admins are active at the moment. I've been very busy lately, one admin just got back from vacation, another two are still on vacation, and a bunch of them are inactive. But once September rolls around and everyone's back, you should start seeing the wiki speeding up again. I appreciate your concern. =) ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 07:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The one who got back from vacation's sister has been a computer hog lately. Editing with a Wii is tiring. MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 18:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll try to remember. =D ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Forums
This is not good. MarioGalaxy2433g5 10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 00:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Auserv, please read my lates post in the admin chat topic. -- Panaka lego  23:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Poke
I'm poking you, where have you been? Will you become more active soon? We reall need you. -- Panaka lego  02:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Favor
TA, can you do me a favor and ask Greg if Antroz has shape-shifted back to his original form to pilot the Jetrax T6.
 * I can do it, I need to PM him anyways. -- Panaka lego  22:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not his original form. His "original form" is his Antidermis form, I believe. Racht  22:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * His default form, then. -- Panaka lego  22:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note
I'm having trouble logging in and editing the wiki. I happened to get through this time, but I don't know when the glitch is going to happen again, but when it comes back I'll try to keep in touch with PL by BZP PMs so he can tell you when I'm having trouble signing on. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 01:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's good. But can you get on Gabbly? I'm on right now... -- Panaka lego  02:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am too now... I don't really know how it works. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Must be that known opera bug... MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 15:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See at Central Wikia: w:Forum:Opera problems. Can you try using a different browser Auserv. Wait, that also explains why PL can't edit with his wii. The wii browser is Opera based. Same thing with the DS browser. I AM A GENIUS! MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 19:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, I have Firefox and Safari (and IE, but I would never use that again =P), and I could use those. And yeah, you're almost definitely right about the problem being Opera-related. I never would've thought of that. But we already knew you were a genius. =D ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 21:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Right about now, my dad would say Low Standards. Anyways, New Page Patrolling is enabled for sysops only, but Recent Changes Patrolling isn't. It is actually enabled for all wikia by default for admins only. MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 18:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Journey of Takanuva
You guys think it's okay to add the plot, as a spoiler. I've got the book as a gift for my brother. DragonKhorse 13:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you can't yet. According to Amazon, the book isn't even supposed to be released until September, so until September 15th (two weeks after it comes out), no spoilers are allowed, not even in tags. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 18:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

==Rating=

look at this!! ( no offence :))

Has anybody noticed that you can make the rating template say anything you want? Toa of the Green
 * Yes, we have noticed. But only Administrators can tamper with the rating template on people's pages, whether to increase or decrease the rating. Racht  03:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a question...
Where did this come from?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bionicle/images/4/48/Nuparu_MN.jpg

TuragaMatau 00:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen it before...it's on an "explore Metru Nui" interactive video thing either in the Toa Metru canisters or with the second Bionicle movie. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 21:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Rating
Auserv, everyone has been complaining about your laziness in rating (don't blame me or deduct points for that! Alot of people have said it). No offence, but I've been back for two days and I've contributed alot. Can you please bring my rating up a little bit? Even Mario Galaxy said that my rating should go up, but you're in charge of the ratings. -- Pirakafreak24 (that's me!) ( TALK!!!! ) Life is full of too much homework. 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize, I was keeping track of the ratings in a document on my laptop, which broke. I recently recovered the files, but I haven't started back doing the rating system because I wasn't entirely sure if we are keeping it after all. Frankly I'm tired of running it (incidentally, every admin who decided to take on the job by themselves--Legodude, PL, and myself--got tired of it eventually, so I have my doubts over whether it's worth keeping). I think I said this somewhere else, but I have a proposition for a drastically simplified version of the Rating System which would be so easy to run that I wouldn't mind doing it. Is anyone (and by that I mean PL, MG, Daiku, and the other admins =P) interested in hearing it, or should we keep the rating system as is? ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 14:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been tossing some ideas around about taking over and tweaking it a bit - a base rating based on article edits (not just edits in general), a set number of points allotted at set times, penalties for a lot of userpage or talkpage edits, some stuff like that. Give me a day or two. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 17:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

OR!, we can all sign my petiton against rating which once filled with alot of signatures will be turned in to either Mario Galaxy or PanakaLego to stop the rating.-- Pirakafreak24 is my name....  ( PUH-LEASE leave a message! ) Bioniclepedia and Disney Channel Wiki ROCK! 21:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, about that petition, It would be great Auserv, if YOU signed. if you are unsure, please take the time to read My essay on rating. I think that it will realy help. -- Pirakafreak24 is my name....  ( PUH-LEASE leave a message! ) Bioniclepedia and Disney Channel Wiki ROCK! 23:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that you'll find the essay very easy to understand and well organized. Believe me...I did my research. -- Or my name isn't...Pirakafreak24!!!! ( PUH-LEASE leave a message! ) Bioniclepedia and Disney Channel Wiki ROCK! 23:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Pirakafreak, you're just getting annoying. And Auserv: Whatever ideas you have, let them be known. Please. =P


 * Whoa, I'm not sure a penalty is in order for users who edit user --and talk-- pages. True it clogs up Recent Changes, but an admins job isn't supposed to be easy. -- Panaka lego  01:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * LD would get a -10! The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 01:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The conversation has gotten a bit off track since my last message, but firstly I'll share my idea of the simplified version. Basically I was thinking we could completely get rid of the number aspect of the rating system and simply reduce it to more of a ranking system... Based on certain specifications a member would have to meet, they could be "good", "great", "respectable", "neutral", "bad", "terrible", or "vandal". The number and names of the ranks are of course open to change. Each of the positive ranks would be achieved by getting a certain amount of main namespace edits, and maybe "respectable" would require having been an active member of the wiki for a certian amount of time. Each negative ranking would be achieved with a different degree of severity of vandalism, and each one would come with a block time correspondent to how severe the offense is. It's far simpler than the original rating system in that we won't have to worry about when a member deserves a point increase and by how many--as soon as they cross the threshold to the next rank, they go up.


 * To Pirakafreak: while your essay is well thought-out, it's up to the admins in the end whether or not to keep the rating system. Sure, the community has a say in it, but unless a good portion of well-known respected members sign your petition, it isn't going to get anywhere.


 * On Daiku's idea: It sounds like a good idea, but maybe a bit too much to keep track of for one admin. History tends to repeat itself, and we wouldn't want to modify the rating system again and put it under another admin's control if you might eventually give up on it too. It's up to you, of course, but take it from me (and I'm sure PL and LD as well), the rating system can get very tedious to run alone, very quickly.


 * Anyway, it looks like we have 3 basic options for the rating system, again: keep it, change it, or get rid of it. The best way to settle this is a poll, but we need to decide who would be voting. We know from last time that new members cannot be trusted, because at least one of the voters last time was a sockpuppet. Maybe we need to establish some kind of minimum "voting age", so to speak, where you have to have been an active member both in the community and on the editing scene for a significant amount of time before you can vote on important matters. Anyway, I've just written a veritable essay, so now I'm going to save it and see what everyone has to say. =P ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 21:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say that editing talkpages would result in point loss - I said that EXCESSIVE userpage or talk page edits would deserve a rating knock. Basically, chatting instead of working on articles and clogging up Recent Changes. And Auserv, some of the ideas I've been working on would be easily workable by one admin. The current system requires looking at every user; the one I'm working on only requires keeping an eye on Recent Changes to see who's doing the most. Not hard at all. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 22:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should just delete it. I remember a long time ago some one said on the community portal we should have a System like:

(Vandal) Infected Kanohi - Powerless kanohi - Copper Mask -Noble Kanohi - Great Kanohi - Golden - Legendary (Admin or some epic user)

I tweaked it from my memory a bit, but I think it might be a little better my way. Although we may have to remove some if this gets too much like the Rating System (if we even use it). And we could be able to choose which Kanohi type, such as:


 * Infected - Normal Hau
 * Powerless - I could make many types simple grey
 * Copper - Same as above, but deep reddish
 * Noble Kanohi - Any of the turaga's
 * Great Kanohi - Normal Pic of a mask,
 * Golden - I could edit any Kanohi yellowish
 * Legendary - Yahi or Ignika

Now, Id write more, but my piece of crap computer is lagging (it seems to a lot when I write a lot on Wikia pages) but if this pulls through, we could make a sort of Userbox for this, like the Rating SYstem, showing the Kanohi in a small thumbnail and statuing what Kanohi the user has. *angry sigh* Gotta go kick this stupid thing, brb Legodude760

Hi, Auserv. Who is your favourite OoMN member/OoMN servant? PS: My favourite OoMN servant/member is dear Umbra. My gran is getting me him for Christmas. Gosh! I for some reason, suddenly have this weird craving for 2006 titans!
 * LD: That's a lot like the system I proposed, but flashier and Bionicle-related... So I would completely support that idea. What does anyone else think?


 * TM: Uh, I guess Brutaka? ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 23:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that I'm busy typing up my Rating System idea as we speak... - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 23:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should have a vote on Daiku's or mine and Auserv's ideas. But thats just me.Legodude760
 * Main problem I see with getting rid of numbers and using descriptive words is it's just putting makeup on a dead body. It'll be forgetting to change people's descriptions instead of their number. We need a foundational change. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 23:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You've got a point there. Mostly the ranking system would simply be so we don't have to worry about how to decide on what number of points any given action is worth. In any case, I'm very curious to hear your suggestion, Daiku. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 23:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here it is. Basically, it gives points in a contest system, so rather than tracking EVERY user and wondering whether they deserve a boost, I only have two points' worth of work a week. And then it's got some guidelines for what would make you more likely to get a bonus, and what would earn you a penalty. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)