The BIONICLE Wiki talk:Site Rules

Okay, punishment number three doesn't need to be there. It's just rediculous, and it will make people think we're just immature kids trying to run a wiki. I'd advise changing it. -Daiku 02:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well,actually,if you look at this page's history tab,KFan II wrote that.Legodude760 06:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You could probably do with changing your spoiler policy, guys... --BS01 Swert Talk
 * You mean you want us to copy your wiki's spoiler policy? ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I say that? Just add a small date (even a week) so it doesn't hurt book sales. That's all. --BS01 Swert Talk
 * I agree. If you want BIONICLE and therefore your wiki to survive through the years, you're going to have to avoid doing things that ultimately hurt LEGO's sales. And what exactly is wrong with copying BS01's policy anyway? If it works (and it does), why not base at least part of yours off of it? Not having anything to do with it simply because it originated in BS01 is foolish and illogical (not saying that's what you're doing though). -- Grav
 * Well, we were once criticized by Bionicleman for copying your idea to give our tabs Bionicle-based names. So we aren't going to be quick to copy your ideas in the future. For the record, I think our wiki would survive just fine without a spoiler ban (if Bionicle wouldn't, though I don't think it has a huge effect on sales), but if BZP will ban us for it, I don't think it's worth it to be stubborn. We'll probably end up adding a short spoiler ban. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

"User rating"
I don't like the "User rating". What is it for? Nathanael1711talk 20:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As a reward for being good or a punishment for being bad. BTW, PL, I think the guidelines should be a bit more specific, but I don't exactly know how we would do that. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 22:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I spent a large chunk of my day doing that, =P I got it as specific as I could, but I'm sure you'll think of something. LOL -- Panaka lego  22:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What's there is fine, but how do we know when someone deserves to go up just one point instead of 5? ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 23:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Good question, I don't know the answer, but it shouldn't be too hard to know when I'm faced with that situation. And if I am, I'd ask you guys (you and MG). -- Panaka lego  00:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is in the Rules, ok. But don't edit my userpage. I think its in the Wikia-Privacy-Rules. You would be allowed to do it if it was breaking rules. If you want me to put the rating-thing on my userpage, say me. Nathanael1711talk 10:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC) (And I still don't like the rating)
 * What don't you like about it? And by the way, administrators are allowed to edit your userpage, I'm rather sure. It's not like we're going to change any of your personal information, just adding the rating template and from there tweaking a number up and down. But if someone vandalizes their own userpage or whatnot, we have to remove it; I don't think anyone would argue with that. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 13:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1.(Cant explain the first question in english; I come from Germany). 2. Admins ARE allowed to edit my userpage when its Vandalism or something like that, but they are NOT allowed to edit it because of a little userbox. Tell me on my usertalk if you want me to have this thing. (Well, on BS01, its a bigger problem; the staff edits my UP because of a few grammar mistakes). Nathanael1711talk 15:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

(Undent) Can you give us a link? MarioGalaxy2433g5 { talk /contribs/Logs} 15:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just realized that others are allowed to edit your page, because otherwise, at central wikia, Barnstars can't be awarded. MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 17:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

My Work
Does anyone have a problem with what I've done to the rules? I'm being Bold, and organizing a little. But anyone think I might have missed something? -- Panaka lego  23:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Does this mean that there is no more rating system? I don't object I'm just asking for a confirmation. Masketh-Kahn (talk/Contributions)
 * I'm not sure, Auserv changed the way the Rating System works, but I'm not sure what exactly those changes were. And now he's inactive, so I'm not sure what will happen. I want nothing to do with ratings, so unless another administrator does, we might have to get rid of it. -- Panaka lego  00:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the ratings was always a bit experimental, and not a little idealistic. I suppose we could have a poll - Admins and Rollbackers, maybe? Or just general users - to determine whether we wanna keep it.
 * There is no way we can protect it to make it for Admins and Rollbackers only. The best we could do it semi-protect it. Anyways, didn't we just have a poll? MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 20:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We did, and we decided to keep it. But the question is, do we still want to keep it? And we don't have to protect it, just delete votes that aren't from sysops or rollbackers. It's because in past votes, I've seen users vote that I've never seen make any kind of edits before. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 21:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What about Hammerise? MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 21:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

(Undent) A vote needs to take place, I'm thinking users who have been members for the past six months (or longer) should be the ones voting. Maybe limit it to users with an edit count of over 200 on top of that. -- Panaka lego  00:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hammerise should definitely apply for Rollbacker. I think anybody who's been around as much as he has should be a rollbacker. I actually thought he already was. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, one issue I've got is you say BionicleSector01.com, when the official URL is biosector01.com ;) Beyond that, you should be good. -- BS01Swert

Moddy
Big mistake. Big BIG mistake. PS: just TRY to tell me to remove BS01 from my name. I dare you. -- BS01Swert 23:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was discussed. We decided that most of youknowwhere went to you so it wasn't worth trying there. MoD is ten times less strict. They even mentioned youknowwhere's anniversary on their main page once. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 23:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh believe me, I know all about MoD. I used to be an administrator for their forums. It's the most INACTIVE BIONICLE site out there, and chances are you'll only get trolls. You made a mistake. -- BS01Swert 23:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently you never Googled up Bionicle fansite. There are more inactive fansites. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 23:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Apparantly you have no idea how long I've been active on Bionicle fansites. I've been on BZP since 2003. I've seen the rise and fall of MANY Bionicle websites. -- BS01Swert 23:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No personal offense intended, but being mentioned on BS01 or BZP was giving us NOTHING beneficial. Only time we got contacted (that I know of, at least) was when BZP or BS01 didn't like something we were doing and asked us to change it. So we kept bending over backwards to accomadate BZP, and what did it profit us?

P.S. Do we have to call it youknowwhere? That's silly. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it gave you the largest Bionicle audience. BZP is referred at Lego conventions, and Lego.com's Message Boards. You lost a target audience in exchange for a 404 File Not Found website. Good job. -- BS01Swert 00:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

So just how exactly is "aligning" yourself with Moddy going to help you in any way? It's the slum of Bionicle forums, full of trolls (that's bad) and with little actual Bionicle discussion ever actually taking place. They aren't the large forum you may remember them being - that's BZP. You guys thought you were losing members by being mentioned on/mentioning BZP/BS01, but you're quite wrong. People were at least semi-aware of this site's existence. Now, you have no chance, because you've cut off much of the online Bionicle fanbase. Affiliating with Moddy will have the opposite effect you wish it to have.

Good luck in your endeavor - you shall desperately need it. Not like it'll probably go anywhere anyways. -Electric Turahk (Talk) 00:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Are the snide comments really necessary? Do they accomplish anything but heighten tensions? And as for exposure on BZPower: Let's do a search of Bioniclepedia and see what it comes up with. At the top is the OGD, but who knows where it is in there. Then, we've got the Bionicle-related fan sites thread. Probably somebody giving the link to BP. Then, there's some software and artwork threads - not really sure what's in there. Then there's a handful of people complaining about BS01 (wouldn't suprise me if they were angry people who'd been blocked and just looking to vent) and saying that BP is better. And last, there's the "BS01 Offline" thread, with people complaining that they have to go to Bioniclepedia. Oh, and there's one reference in a comedy.

Here's the main problem. BZP and BS01 have really close ties. Bioniclepedia, especially considering it's beginnings, is looked down on. At best, it's "Why do they bother - BS01's right here"; at worst, "Those fools are just ripping off BS01 because they're jealous." Even when we get mentioned, it's "Oh, yeah - Bioniclepeda..." - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Daiku, I rechecked Google for the sake of it, and the results were:

1) A link to this website. 2) Another link to this website. 3) A link on a random guy's site. 4) A link on WikiIndex. 5) A topic on BZP where a person found out about Bpedia. 6) A wiki called "Bioniclepedia" on "scratchpad" wikis. 7) Somebody from Bpedia talking to Wikia admins. 8) Download "Bioniclepedia". <- No idea what's it for. 9) andamanandnicobarislandscrawler.co.in/bioniclepedia.html 10) A mention on BrickWiki.


 * But then I guess the results change all the time on Google.  * EATS YOUR FACE * 
 * Actually, I was using BZP's search engine, and looking at its forums. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 19:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

And Yet...
I just checked out MoD's forums (probably should've done this sooner in the discussion, but I've been busy). I don't know if PL and I are looking at the same site - most of the forums haven't been upgraded since January! I don't see what they can offer us. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 01:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean this one? Racht  01:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's not what I was looking at. But those are still kinda small. I guess I'm feeling more strongly about my Forum-neutral policy - don't worry about either, just ourselves. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 01:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

KanohiJournal
As the KanohiJournal is an independant organization which purpose is simply to provide entertainment and enjoyment to BIONICLE fans, I would ask you to not prohibit the KanohiJournal and it's possible future contests and content from Bioniclepedia.

However, if you strive to remove credits from us, such as the mentioning of the KJ hosting the Aqua Blaster Blade contest, we reserve all rights to deny Bioniclepedia from mentioning the KanohiJournal or publishing any content from its official contests.

The full copy of our Creative Commons Attribution can be found here.  * EATS YOUR FACE * 
 * ...what is it, and why should we ban mention of it? - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The KanohiJournal is a BIONICLE fan magazine which is responsible for hosting the "Create the Aqua Blaster Blade" contest, in which the winner of the contest becomes an official representation of the blade in the story.

More details about the KJ here.  * EATS YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 

BZP
When exactly was it decided that Mask of Destiny would replace BZPower as our affiliate forum? Didn't we just decide that it would be wiser to stay affiliated with BZPower? Don't we already have appointed BS01 and BZP ambassadors? The last edit to the Site Rules seems pretty uncalled for, at least for me, because I can't find anywhere where this was discussed, and I'd really like to know if this was decided on with everyone besides me (in which case I would really hope someone would leave a message on my talk page...I'm not that inactive) or if it was just a spur-of-the-moment decision by Panakalego, in which case I would be surprised that I'm the first one to complain... ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 01:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Racht, MG, Daiku, and myself agreed that we'd profit more from MoD. And they'd profit from us. BZP just didn't have much to offer us, what with the other wiki and all. And MoD has already agreed to give us a forum, BZP wasn't in a hurry to do that. I don't agree with some of BZP's rules as well, but I think MoD's are pretty agreeable.
 * BTW: No more mentioning the other Bionicle wiki if we can help it, it makes no since to just link to our rival like that, we just lose more members that way.
 * If you need any confirmation, just ask Daiku, Racht, or MG. Panaka  lego  02:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh. I really can't say I support this decision at all. I always argued for us to stay with BZPower (are we at least allowed to talk about BZP?). I honestly don't think we'll profit more from MoD; maybe they'll profit from us, but that hardly helps us. I guess it's too late to change it now, but just letting you know, I resent this.
 * Btw, I especially hate the fact that we're back to calling "youknowwhere" (>_>) our rival again. After all the lengths we went to be at peace with them. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, click here, and we are at peace with them. Panaka  lego  02:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for sticking my hair, eyes, nose, ears, mouth and basically my head into all this, but I just feel that you need an overdue lesson.

It seems to me that you staff of Bpedia are beginning to focus on selfish matters, such as getting new members or making the amount of members grow etc. etc. It's an understandable thing for you to do, as it's often the way which seems like the smart one to take, but it really isn't. Instead, what you're doing is hindering your dedication towards Bpedia for things which are more likely to fail then succeed.

As I have said before to you guys, simply going out there screaming "COME TO US!" isn't going to get you anywhere. The first, and top priority you need to tackle on is the quality of this wiki. It doesn't matter what the amount of good members are, this is your wiki and if you feel attached or dedicated to it, you work on it and improve on it yourself. You can not expect to call in other members to help you with such a task. Like I've stated before already, remember that BS01 Wiki started with only 6 members, and our wiki was threatened to be ignored and destroyed by the fanbase because the fanbase thought that, during the first 6 months of its existence, BS01 was providing propaganda and false information to its readers. Hardly anybody helped those 6 members, me being one of them, during those 6 months, and we actually had to gain back the entire wiki's reputation by ourselves. Only after that huge task was accomplished did we actually get anywhere.

And that's what you have to start doing! Whining to others about how you're looked down at or how unpopular your site is will not accomplish anything. To be honest, hardly any member would come to your site and actually stay because of the state it is in right now, because they know that there's a better site for them to look at which is called BS01. It's not an attempt to boast or make you feel small, it is actual fact. You have to come to grasp the idea that if you do not make any attempts to improve the wiki yourselves, and expect others to do it for you, which is practically nobody, that will always stay as the truth.

I'll be very, very honest myself. The whole reason why I'm even here right now is not because I think your wiki is particularly attractive, it is because 1) BS01 is down (Which doesn't really count for my occasional visits even when BS01 is up) and 2) because your site is providing a good show for me to watch. I'm not insulting you or anything, but your bickering and strange decisions make your wiki more of an entertainment show then a reference site for BIONICLE fans.

Start pulling your acts together, start uniting yourselves as one admin group, listen to each other's opinions and start working on your wiki. Until you do that, keep in mind that most people would simply be coming here for entertainment and laughs.

EDIT: Affiliation with either sites aren't going to take you anywhere in this world. Both MoD and BZP had had good ties with BS01, since Swert was an admin on MoD and as you know, BZP and BS01 are affiliates. <font color="#ff9900"> * EATS <font color="#ffcc00">YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 
 * Bioran, I respect you a lot, but you haven't a clue as to why we do half the things we do. Regardless of some recent mistakes we (mainly me) havemade, we aren't stupid and we do learn. We are trying to become a well-knit admin group, but some of us aren't even active right now. So it is fairly hard to demote the inactive ones and promote ones who we think will be better suited to the job. I can only assume BS01 has also banned us, right? Panaka  lego  17:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW: We were communicating very well untill BZP made us delete our forums. Who's fault was that? If you're going to point out all our problems like this, I suggest you remember how much of a part you guys played.  Panaka  lego  17:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Then work with the admins which are active. I currently see three. That's more then enough to make a difference.

And why do you have to use your forums to communicate? Why can't you guys establish an IM system somewhere? Windows Live Messenger works, AIM works, Google Talk works, or you can just get Trillian or Pidgin and use all three at once. Regardless of what you're attempting to do, understand that you're basically making no progress at all, and are simply delaying the case.

You may argue that you are making an effort in the background, uniting yourselves and so on, but that's not good enough. Nobody sees and thus nobody cares about what happens in the background - it is what happens in the foreground which makes a difference.

Another good tip for you is to stop caring about the level of power. All of you are editors, only with different powers in order to aid this wiki differently. A well-established staff and a partially complete wiki is pointless. Make your wiki complete, then care about b-crats and sysops and rollbackers. <font color="#ff9900"> * EATS <font color="#ffcc00">YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 
 * Then we will focus on communicating properly. Now, I do not like outsiders going all "gloom and doom" on us like what Swert and ET are fond of doing. If you guys have a problem with how we operate, let an admin know calmly. I do not want to have to block anybody, but if Swert or ET start up with their snide-like comments again, I will not hesitate to ban you guys. Like Daiku said: "All those comments do is build up tension between us", they serve no other perpose. I haven't been fond of how you guys feel you need to correct our mistakes with such comments. : I have tried in the past to communicate regularly with the other admins, I know we don't need a forum to do it, but it was ALL WE HAD then. Some of us are just young kids who really like Bionicle, they were elected in our early years, or in times of trouble. Some cannot make a comitment. I personally do not like the situation any more then you do, but I what can I do about it if I'm supposed to work on other things? I really have a fun time editing here, untill some BS01 member decides they don't like something and feel compelled to let us know in a not-so-calm way. If you guys would help us work on our basics without reprimanding us in the process, I have no problem. But in a situation like this, I honestly feel like banning you guys. Wouldn't you ban me if I talked to your staff like this? We made a mistake, and now we've lost BZP's "support", some of you try to help us out by slapping our hands and saying "no no, PL, that's not right". But some of you just make it even worse, like Swert. So back up, give us our space, let us breath, and watch us fix the situation as best we know how. If you do not like how we fix something, then let an admin know calmly, and in a polite way. If what you have to say is nothing more then a "What a stupid mistake!", then don't say anything at all.  Panaka  lego  02:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

What Swert or ET or other BS01 staff does is not my concern. They can do whatever they want, that's their problem, not mine. I do not represent the staff team in this, nor do I represent the community of BS01. I represent myself, and only myself.

Since when am I saying you made a mistake or slapping you on the face? I'm letting you know that the way you are tackling things simply isn't working. If you don't appreciate the help, the fine, I won't help you.

And I am telling you calmly. I'm certainly not saying "Panakalego is an idiot" or "Bioniclepedia is now absolute b******* because of what they did!" I'm telling you that your methods in handling the site is not getting you anywhere, and I'm certainly doing so politely.

Like I said, I will stop providing my help if you continue insist so rudely. If you are so concentrated in "working in the background" instead of listening to other people's comments, then what's the reason for me to help? Just understand this: Just because I'm an editor and staff on BS01 does not mean I'm here to taunt you. What the other staff say or do here has nothing to do with me; it's their right to speak. But if you feel it is appropriate to insult me by pushing the responsibility of other people's statements on me, then I won't help you ever again.

I was only trying to help, but if you must be so ungrateful and disrespectful against other people's statements... <font color="#ff9900"> * EATS <font color="#ffcc00">YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 
 * I believe when PL said "Users like Swert or ET," he was talking about users like Swert or ET. You're being much more helpful, and I don't think he was talking to you. More of a general response. Yours is actually the only out-of-wiki feedback I've appreciated so far. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 03:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What Daiku said: I was talking to all the BS01 members. Your advice is very helpful, and I agree with you. The problem I think B-pedia had was we forgot what's more importent; new users or better content. Fame or durability. I will try to get in touch with the other admins via IM somehow, since that in itself would solve at least one problem. And I said slapping my hand, not face. Panaka  lego  15:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * IM would be much preferable to Gmail, while we're on the subject. I have an AIM account that I am almost always on when I'm on my computer, so as long as I'm on the computer you'll be able to reach me.


 * Anyway, I agree that Bioran's advice has been the most helpful out of any of the other BS01 members who've come here. Unlike a good deal of BS01 members, Bioran doesn't have a holier-than-thou attitude towards us just because BS01 is more popular, even though he's a major reason that BS01 has that popularity. And while most people have simply been mud-slinging, Bioran seems genuinely interested in helping us. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 03:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Normally I would agree, but myself, Daiku, and Racht already use Gtalk. Panaka  lego  03:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Bioran... I think I'm reacting like any normal peson would right now, didn't you yourself just call us little more then an entertaining website? Didn't you say the only reason you visit was because you thought we were funny? How do you expect me to react to something like that?! Panaka  lego  17:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet I did not state that in order to insult or flame Bioniclepedia. I stated that because I wanted you to understand how people actually reacts to your site, and thus how you should change your site so it isn't like what people see it as. ;)


 * If you are unable to accept an honest fact without taking insult for it, then I don't see how this wiki can get any better. You are simply being arrogant in your ways and focusing on only what you think is right - and sometimes, what you think is right doesn't necessarily means it is right. <font color="#ff9900"> * EATS <font color="#ffcc00">YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 
 * And again, thanks for the help. But how do you really expect me to take "you are arrogant" and "you really make me laugh"? Am I supposed to say :"Sorry Bioran, we were dumbies to think anything else"? It isn't impossible to help someone without the negatives. We're obviously going through a tough time, and I want your help. But do it in some other fashion, alright? Panaka  lego  00:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PL, he's doing it with the best intentions. Just let it go. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

In order for my comment to be honest, I have to dump negatives in there. It does not do you a bit of help if I simply go "Dear Bioniclepedia, you are good but do this and that.". It gives you a sense of false security that you're already good, and what I'm suggesting is simply an optional add-on. In this case it isn't. You may argue it's only my opinion of things, and that may be true, but keep in mind that every person have a right to offer their opinions and views, and each should be taken with respect and heard of. <font color="#ff9900"> * EATS <font color="#ffcc00">YOUR <font color="#ff9900">FACE * 
 * I shall quote the turaga and say that all of you are squabling like Gukko birds. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 21:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Most the time I don't care if other fansites link to a wiki, just if search engines do. I AM SO GLAD I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS JUNK AT WIKITROID AND BRICKIPEDIA.Just noting large ones . The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 22:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Lots of stuff
The rules need to be largely rewritten because of a few new developments lately... Here, I'll make a list.


 * 1) If we're using Daiku's new rating system, which doesn't use the rating system as a punishment, the rules must be rewritten with different punishments, because now most of the punishments refer to rating reductions.
 * 2) By the same token, the rules need to be rewritten to include Daiku's version of the rating system. (And Lego Bionicle:Rating System needs to be replaced with User:Daiku/Rating System.
 * 3) We need to decide what we're doing with the spoiler policy now that we don't have to conform to BZP's. Should we go back to the old one, or still have a short spoiler ban?
 * 4) We've been discussing some kind of voting requirement rule for a long, long time, and now would be the time to add such a rule while we're doing the other stuff. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 22:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)