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Wow, you've done a great job on Comic 12.5, really, a great job.-|M|ata |N|ui 20:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and by the way, welcome back!-|M|ata |N|ui 13:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Response
Okay, here's my response. Looking at your messages, it seems like we need to make a distinction between whether or not we UTILIZE a rating system, and whether we use the CURRENT rating system. They both seem to be interspersed together, and you're using facts that show why the CURRENT ratng system doesn't work to say that we should get rid of a rating system ALTOGETHER. If we separate these two issues, I think you'll find that most of your problems are with the SYSTEM we're currently using, not the CONCEPT of a rating system. And I wholeheartedly agree that the current system needs to be fixed - I'm working on a new one that deals with all of those problems. Your input is being heard.

Also, I think you're severely overestimating the amount of activity Bioniclepedia gets. We're pretty fair-sized on average, but we're far from a super-wiki like Wikipedia or Wookiepedia, just to name a few. Yesterday, we had 11 users make edits. Not 20-40. Eleven. And not all of those are active, prominent users. Whenever we have a community vote, we never get more than twenty people voting. And while there may be more people coming and editing than that, they're not playing a huge role in the community. Now, if the operator's job is to check EVERY user and see if they specifically deserve a point rating, you're right: there's no way our staff could handle that. But there are other types of systems that would take less work. Using my several years of experience here at BP, I think I have a fair handle on the traffic here, and I think I've got an idea that would allow one person to EASILY run the rating system.

As for your statement that the admins will eventually get bored and forget it, I find that a bit insulting. Yes, it's a general rule that admins will lose interest and move on. You could probably even make a case that EVERYBODY is lazy and loses interest in some cases. But to take a general rule and to say it MUST apply in EVERY situation is a fallacy. Yes, we've had two people who haven't done much for the rating system. That doesn't mean the third person will be the same. I have a job - and it isn't just a job for extra money, I need this job to live. I don't have the ability to live off of my parents. I have to be committed to this job; It's important. When you have to work, you learn responsibility. A year or two ago, I'd probably have been long gone from BP. I don't follow Bionicle as much as I used to, and there's other stuff I'd much enjoy doing. But when I became an admin, and then a bureaucrat, I made a commitment to this wiki. I take that commitment just as seriously as I take my job. It manifests itself in different ways, but I'm here as long as is reasonably possible. I try to keep up with Bionicle so I can better do my job here. I can't speak for the other admins, but when I say I'm going to run the rating system, I mean I'm going to. I'm not dropping it. And with the system I've working on, I should be the only one that needs to.

And if I may ask, why are you so adamantly against the rating system? You said that if the rating system would go away, you'd feel much better. You're going around to people's talkpages, and writing thousands of words against it. Yet you say that nobody cares about their rating anyways, and you complain that the current operater isn't doing anything with it. If it's not wasting anybody's time and nobody cares about it anyways, what's your beef? I'm just trying to better understand your position.

Let Round Three begin. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 19:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that most your reasons are ToaAuserv... Auserv was going inactive beforehand. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 23:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

...Yet again, all of these reasons come down to the METHOD we're using, not the basic principle behind a rating system. I agree - Auserv didn't live up to his promises, and the rating system was somewhat flawed. That's because our previous votes established that there would BE a rating system, but now HOW it would work. We left that up to whoever was going to run it, and they got to just make stuff up. I'll be submitting this one I'm working on to peer review BEFORE we vote on whether or not to keep it. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 23:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I(andrew1219) don't like the rating system because its to complicated.
 * I fail to understand what's so complicated about it. And I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to vote against the whole thing... -- Panaka lego  01:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I(andrew1219) think its to hard to go up because editing 50 pages is hard.!
 * Actually, it is quite easy. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 01:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)