User talk:Toughpigs

Hello, Danny. I know you've never edited here, but Angela told me to talk to you about a problem we're having: We seem to be getting a lot of vandalism from IPs lately. In order to "advertise" on a Bionicle fansite (BZPower.com) we need to comply with their spoiler policy. A new Bionicle book was recently released over a month early, so a bunch of IPs have been adding the new info on this wiki, which isn't allowed for another month. I know this is a lot to ask, but could you please disable editing for IPs at the very least untill January 09? We haven't had a non-vandal IP edit in months, and this will get out of hand soon if it continues and if more people get the book and ignore our own rules. -- Panaka lego  00:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem! I just switched IP editing off. I'll also change a couple things so that anons who try to edit get a friendly message about logging in. I hope this helps... I've had good experiences switching to login-only editing. Let me know if you've got any questions about it... -- Danny (talk ) 00:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response, if I have a question, I'll let you know first. ;) -- Panaka lego  00:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Default Sort
Dare I ask what strange, mysterious thing Default Sort does? - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, now you're asking for forbidden knowledge the likes of which mortal man was not meant to know. I will reveal this knowledge only if you promise to turn away and not read it. Ready? Here goes.


 * Defaultsort tells the wiki how to alphabetize articles on category pages. In the Books category, "The Journey of Takanuva" should be alphabetized under J for Journey, rather than T. You can set the correct sorting in a category tag -- . Defaultsort does the same thing, but it'll do it for every category on the page. So for an article like The Official Guide to BIONICLE, which is in two categories, you just put in , and then it'll automatically sort it under O for both categories.


 * Defaultsort is useful if you think that someone else might come along later and add another category tag -- that way they don't have to worry about adding the sorting thing too. So there you go -- the true story of Defaultsort. -- Danny (talk ) 00:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very cool. I'll have to remember that.


 * ...not that I read it, of course. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This message will now self-destruct. -- Danny (talk ) 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. boom.

Admin demotion
Hey Danny, sorry to bother you twice in less then 24 hours, but we have a few administrators who have been inactive for a long time, and I was wondering if they could be demoted? I know Wookieepedia has their admins demoted after some time, so we thought we'd adopt there policy. -- Panaka lego  22:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about bothering me; I love being bothered. People who have bureaucrat rights on the wiki (like you and Daiku) can set the admin rights for other users... Check out Special:Userrights. I'm pretty sure that should work for you... let me know if it doesn't, okay? -- Danny (talk ) 22:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wish it were so... It takes a wikia staff member to demote anyone other then Rollbacker... Oh woe is me, will Danny not hear my plea? -- Panaka lego  23:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gah, what a pain. Sure, I can do it. Which admins do you want to demote? -- Danny (talk ) 23:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We're sending messages to one or two now, but User:KFan II and User:Vladius Magnum haven't made any edits in over a year or three. And sorry if I hit you a little hard in the above comment, I was going for the heartfelt, poetic sound, I didn't think I could pull it off. =P -- Panaka lego  23:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, done. Don't worry about sounding heartfelt... it worked. -- Danny (talk ) 23:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton, I really appreciate it. ;) -- Panaka lego  23:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

IP please
Hey Danny, is it alright if you could tell me what users share the same IP that User:Andrew1219 has? I have reason to believe he's been abusing multiple accounts, but don't yet have proof that he's done it intentionally. I don't need his IP number, but if you could tell me who else uses it, that'll be great! Panaka lego  20:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there are a number of users on that IP -- Andrew1219, Mcp3, Tuma3224, Mr con con ****, Mr con con poop, Andr1219 and Andre1219. I hope that helps. -- Danny (talk ) 20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Two More Questions
Hey Danny, I have two more favors to ask of you when you have the time. Firstly: Can you demote me from bureaucrat back to sysop? We're trying to manage our admin responsabilities, and realised that we only need one B-crat at a time to manage User promotion. Secondly: Can you enable Edit Patrolling please (or whatever it's called)? I think we asked a long while ago, but never recieved an answer. Thanks! Panaka lego  01:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, no problem! I think the other bureaucrat could have done it -- you actually might even have been able to un-b'crat yourself :) -- but I took care of it. I also turned on edit patrolling -- I hope -- I've never turned it on before, so I hope I did it right. Let me know if it worked the way you want it! -- Danny (talk ) 17:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alas, B'crats can only remove rollback rights, not Admin or Sysop. And I tried to work the Edit Patrolling, but I can't figure out how to get the Exclamation Points to go away... - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 20:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Danny, it does work. ;)
 * To answer you question, Daiku: When you click diff. in Recent Changes, it'll compare the revision and near the Rollback button will be a "Mark this as checked" button. Or something like that.
 * And Bureaucrat cannot demote anybody save Rollback, although I have no idea why. Panaka  lego  01:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gah, what a pain about the bureaucrat thing... It's hard for me to test that myself, so thanks for letting me know. :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate to keep bugging you with questions, but is it possible to set it so we don't have to Patrol User and User Talk pages? - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 22:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of... As far as I can tell, there's just one switch that turns it on and off. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I now we're talking to you a lot, a whole lot, but I have another question: Is there a word filter to keep swearing and other words off the wiki? I know it's possible for wiki software to have one, but does wikia? Panaka  lego  01:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you guys are having some concerns about how people are behaving on the wiki. You might be looking for a technical software solution to a problem that really needs to be solved as a community. What's the problem that you're having? Is it with a particular user, or a group of users? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * With the Patrol, it's just something we've been wanting to implement for a while to improve quality in general. And I don't know why PL asked about the filter - I haven't really seen any swearing. We're actually just trying to get all of our policies, Admin responsibilites, etc. in order, so that's why we've been asking about stuff. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 02:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I asked is because there are some sites all over the place here that we don't want users to be talking about anymore, and it'll be really hard to remove them manually. And if it'll stop swearing in the future, I'm all for it. Panaka  lego  02:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't understand... There's sites that you don't want people to talk about? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a site we've been losing a lot of editors to. It's another Bionicle wiki. Although I don't think we'd need to use a word filter for that - there's not much around to begin with. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 02:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, what's the other site? Is it the Custom Bionicle site on Wikia, or a totally different site? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Totally different. It's an independent wiki. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 03:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The other site is a Bionicle fansite, I realised that I linked to it on the top of this page. We are moving to a different fansite that will not allow mention of any of it's compitition here. Panaka  lego  20:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Blog?
Hey Danny, I noticed during my weekly wikia surfing that a new blog feature was introduced to the Star Wars Fanon wiki a few days ago. I didn't notice it anyplace else, but can you shed some light on this new feature when you have time? Panaka lego  03:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'd like to know about that too please.-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 04:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And is it possible that every edit is listed as a separate edit, instead of them all grouped together by page on recent changes? I've been wondering about that for a long time. Panaka  lego  05:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, guys! Sure, I'd be happy to tell you about the blogs. It's a brand new feature, so it hasn't been released for the whole site yet -- just on a few wikis where we wanted to try it out. If you guys are interested, we could turn it on here too; just say the word!
 * Blogs are a new kind of wiki page that can be written by a single person. It's an offshoot of your user page, so you can write opinion pieces, ideas, fan fiction, reviews, whatever you want to write about -- without worrying about whether it fits in with the factual information on the regular article pages. Once you post a blog page, you're the only one who can edit it, and there's a comments section at the bottom where other people can leave comments. (Admins can also edit or delete blog pages and comments, so if somebody uses them to vandalize the site, you can deal with it the same way as any other page.)
 * You can see some examples on the Christmas Specials Wiki -- check out 10 Worst Christmas Specials of All Time. Let me know what you think -- if you're interested, we could turn blogs on here.
 * Also -- yes, you can change that on Recent changes! Look near the top of the page for the link that says "Hide enhanced recent changes". Click on that, and you'll see the separate edits. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes! I'd like to try that for Disney Channel wiki, although you'll have to explain it abit more for me please.-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 17:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Message filter
Danny, I was looking at your above messages, and I didn't see an answer to the message filter you were talking to panaka about. The one that blocks swearing. If its possible, I'd like to know about that for Disney Channel Wiki. Becasue of a bunch of Hannah Montana stuff, theres been name calling in the past. If you could let me know about that, it's be great! Thanks!-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 22:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, there's no such thing as a swear filter. If you're concerned about people swearing, then you'll need to talk to them about it. If you've expressed your concern to them and they still keep breaking the wiki's rules, then you can block them. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Blogging
Alright Danny, we talked it over, and we're wanting to try out the new blog feature whenever you can get around to it. We're putting together a policy for it, so at your ready: Panaka  lego  03:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to try it for Disney Channel Wiki as well please.-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 04:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * PF, you can let him know on the DCWiki. It would probably make it easier for both of you. Panaka  lego  06:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've turned on blogs! You can access your blog by going to your user page or talk page -- click on "Blog", and start playing around with it. Kirkburn is the staff member who's running the blogs project, so I think he can probably answer any questions that I can't. Try it out, and let us know what you think!
 * For the Disney Channel wiki... Let me get back to you on that one. I'm very familiar with this wiki, so I know that it'll be a good fit for the new feature. I'm not sure about Disney Channel; I'll have to get back to you about it. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Also, Panaka, I know I could've just asked on DCWIKI, but since the subject was here, I didn't want to confuse him.-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 22:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you patrol blog edits? The exclamation marks are staring at me. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 21:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know... I've never used patrolled edits myself, and I don't know anything about it. How does it usually work? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Usually you go on the recent changes, click diff for an edit, and click marked as patrolled. Or go to Special:NewPages click a link to a page surrounded by yellow, click marked as patrolled. I'm sorry I should have said blog comments, I can patrol blog edits the latter method. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 22:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Danny, I know you are pretty busy, but I need you to respond to the message on DCWIKI please.-- <font color="Green">Bioniclepediapodcaster24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Purple">I'm rereading New Moon! It rocks! 00:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this intentional
It seems that you can report a problem for blogs, because a link is at the bottom of a blog page to do so. If a problem is reported for a blog, the link to it will be incorrect, without the User blog: prefix. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 21:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Danny said to ask Kirkburn about the blogs. Panaka  lego  (BP Ad min) 02:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

IP Please
Danny, I'm pretty sure Panakalego is going to ask you this sooner or later, but we need to know all users who share the same IP address as Atukamlitib. We, The Oracle23, Panakalego, and myself, have reason to believe that this user has vandilized Custom Bionicles Wiki while abusing multiple accounts.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 05:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! Here's what I found. The IP address User:68.183.92.236 has used the following accounts: Atukamlitib, Atukamlitiber and Nolego on Bionicle, and Atukamlitib, Atukamlitiber, Atukamakirk 2.9 on Custom Bionicle. I just gave that IP a three-month block, so hopefully that'll discourage him.


 * I'd also suggest taking that big orange notice off the main page of Custom Bionicle -- people vandalize wikis for the attention, and a big notice on the main page is exactly the kind of attention he likes. Know what I mean? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not the one who put it up. I am an admin there, but I don't know if I'm allowed to take it off. I'll look through his contribs when I get the time and then I'll remove it.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. I also just blocked the IP on Disney Channel for you, so hopefully that'll discourage him. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I also blocked him, but thanks. Hopefully, if he doesn't learn his lesson, he won't come back.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all of your help Danny. We all appriciate it.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, Danny, I know you said you blocked him IP, but somehow, he still was able to edit. I blocked it, so hopefully he won't be able to edit anything other than his talkpages, and I say talkpages because he's come to DCWIKI using many of his accounts, even though he said he wouldn't-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, the big orange notice has been taken off like you requested.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

PF, can you take the DCWiki talk to DCWiki? This page keeps popping up on Recent Changes. ;) Panaka  lego  (BP Ad min) 06:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Panaka. We've talked about it in DCWIKI and its all settled. I just wanted to contact him here about that because it started to concern here, but ended up there.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 17:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Another Admin Demotion
Hey Danny, I'm sorry about messing with your talkpage so much. But we have another inactive admin who should get demoted due to our demotion policy. User:LegoLover hasn't edited in many months. Panaka lego  (BP Ad min) 23:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? He last edited on November 29th, which isn't that long ago. I see that you haven't left him any talk page messages about his impending demotion... maybe you should give him a heads-up? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've really got to stop letting others tell me what to do. >_< Thanks Danny, he's still inactive, but not nearly as much as I thought he was. Panaka  lego  (BP Ad min) 23:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, no problem. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * One of my users at DCWIKI was inactive for about a month because their computer crashed. That could be the same case.-- <font color="Yellow">Boltfan24 ( <font color="Yellow">Talk ) <font color="Yellow">I'm going to go see BOLT This week! 23:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, here we go again. LegoLover's is without a doubt inactive. Could you demote him? Thanks. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Daiku -- Are you guys actually going to leave Wikia? I'm not sure if I should be demoting admins if the other admins are taking off. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah - I completely forgot about that. How, I don't know - I was just looking through my to-do-list and saw that LL needed to be demoted. Yeah, unfortunately, it's looking like we're going. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 00:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that sucks. What's going on? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Partly all the ads and Wiki Spotlights, partly to get more direct control over wiki features (do things like IP checks, and be able to demote admins without having to talk to a staff member). - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 01:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also because we feel that as a member of the Bionicle fanbase, we would do better to be independent of Wikia like our "rival" BS01. Seth's words were that we had outgrown Wikia. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 01:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's a shame. You guys have worked really hard here, and this wiki won't be the same without you. I hope we can find some good people to take over the wiki after you've gone. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, we've got plans of collaborating with another big Bionicle wiki to make this wiki here a Bionicle Set wiki that both of us can link to, so we'll still be around even if we move "Bioniclepedia" to an independent server. - Daiku { Whine Here } { Look what I did! } 02:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't understand. If you're still around on this wiki adding more content, then you're not leaving, right? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not exactly; this wiki is currently about the Bionicle storyline, and afterwards it will be about the Bionicle toys. We'll still be here, but we'll have changed our focus slightly. And all the old content will be exported to an independent server. Hopefully most users will continue to edit both wikis. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So what happens to all the pages that are currently on this wiki? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume a lot of them that don't have corresponding toys will be deleted, and the ones that do will be rewritten. In the end, that's up to the guy who'll be running this place afterwards, Swert. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

He's going to delete 1,500 pages? That doesn't make sense. We can create a separate Bionicle Sets wiki, but deleting all of this content is unfair to the people in the future who want to read it and edit it. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the content will still be on the new domain, which will probably be linked to extensively from here. I don't fully support the idea myself, but the only thing is that we're afraid that if we leave all the content here, a competitor to our wiki could adopt it and have a big head start on getting better than us. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 02:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Right... But that's how it works. There's over a thousand people who have contributed to this wiki since it opened in 2005. The wiki content belongs to all of those people, and to the people who'll find it tomorrow, and two years from now. You can copy the stuff that's here and move it somewhere else, but you can't destroy the content here; that's not fair. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree completely Danny. I don't want us to leave, but the people have spoken. There was a vote.--<font color="Green">Pirakafreak <font color="Silver">24 DCWIKI 21:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if you don't want to leave, you don't have to. The wiki will still be here, so anybody who wants it will always be welcome to keep working on it.


 * ToaAuserv and Panakalego have only been admins on this wiki since last May. They've done a lot of great work on this wiki, but they didn't create it, and they don't have the right to dismantle it. -- <font color="Blue">Danny  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've actually been an admin since October 2007, for the record. :P But I guess the plans for the set wiki are canceled now; we're just going to leave this version of the wiki here and it should be interesting to see what happens to it. ToaAuserv ? ...BPAdmin 21:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hm, I thought wikia's policy was the community owns the wiki, it doesn't matter how long some of those members have been around. This plan was thought up so that we could get on par with our compition, and then we voted, and you know who won. We won't dismantle the wiki, we actually want what's best for it, and I assumed turning it into a wiki about sets would help it prosper more, as two other major wikis already exist about storyline. I'm not forcing people to leave, and I obviously can't force wikia to do something, but I'm going to follow what I think is the best choice (which is leave). Wikia did us many, many great favors, but when we can do that and more without asking someone else to do it for us, why not? Panaka lego  (BP Ad min) 22:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, the community does own the wiki. That includes the entire community -- all of the people who created the wiki, the people who are working on it now, and all the people who will read it and contribute to it in the future. The wiki doesn't belong to the ten people who voted to leave. There are clearly people on this wiki right now who want to stay and work here, and that's why the wiki content should remain. If some people choose to leave and work on another wiki somewhere else, that's their choice, but we don't shut down a wiki because some people don't want to work on it anymore. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Plus, why make a Bioniclepedia about the sets? Brickipedia pretty much covers that. Why duplicate?--<font color="Green">Pirakafreak <font color="Silver">24 DCWIKI 23:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)